This is a regrettable affair perhaps goonswarm could get another member to represent the 10k goon votes.

May I suggest Kartoon as a replacement?

no its only 3% of the voting base!

get over your self goon...

seriously!

one year and then its all mittenz again... yay

At this rate, all the goons will unsub, This is the best decision CCP has ever made.

I still wish Mittani could stay on CSM, he WAS a productive member.

Yeah, because that line works well when a lawsuit lands.

Stop trying to think, you're in Raiden.

If he stepped down as CHAIR only, why did this devblog state that he was stepping down from CSM6 and subsequently CSM7? Did I read the blog correctly, or am I mistaken somehow? If so then I think quite a few others are also mistaken here lol

Sorry, no. There needs to be a system in place so that people who voted for candidates who either resign or are removed are still represented. Mittani's actions do not speak for the 10,058 people that voted for him.

CCP have removed his ability to use the service he is paying for, without him violating the contract.

That's not funny, it's the majority of civil lawsuits.

QFT

DNSBLACK discussed entering Jove space, which is considered an exploit unless moved for the Alliance Tournament. I demand that this is investigated.

butthurt much? talk to the mittani about your wasted votes....he wasted them, not us, not ccp

You've played this game longer than I have, you were around when the CSM was actually formed and why it was formed. The CSM should be independent. They are adults and yes it is CCP's game, but interfering with a democratically elected body that in part is there to ensure that CCP is being "fair" in game is a horrible precedent.

Dude, do you know why the CSM was made? Please tell me you have more than a 2 year history.

You are saying this isn't a democracy. It is very much a democracy and you knowing or not know WHY it was made should help you to understand why it is a democracy.

CCP is like Putin... so I shouldn't pay any attention to you then, ok. Have a nice day. Scroll up and see Jade's response. That is a semi well thought out response.

You know nothing about me. You see unlike you I try very hard to be independent and as unbiased as I possibly can. I don't give a damn if people dislike Jade, read what he actually wrote and understand you ignorant kunt. The CSM should be a democracy, it is CCP's game, and they are well within their rights to disband the CSM, but not only would it be bad PR it would just be downright bad business decision. And this is also a bad decision. The CSM either is an actual body that is independent or it is a useless rubber stamp and either next month or 6 years from now another Incarna will occur because CCP doesn't listen to advice from the one body of players elected to give them advice.

You are ignorant, maybe not a kunt but very very ignorant. There is a difference between independence and final ruling power. The supreme court is independent, but isn't considered a ruling power. CCP interfering with the operation of the CSM when the CSM announced it would be meeting to discuss the situation interferes with it's independence. Also do you have a reading defecit?

I said

it is CCP's game, and they are well within their rights to disband the CSM

Neat. So CCP caves to pressure from some people, and now The Wis will be the one who really pays the ultimate price as players in game take their rage out on him.

Congratulations, CCP, you have done more to hurt The Wis (if he was ever depressed/unstable) than a slight, snarky comment made by a pseudo-intellectual douchebag could ever.

What are you going to do now? Ban anyone who dares to kill The Wis in game? Or send him eve mails?

Anyway you slice this, you screwed him royally. I feel bad for him most of all now.

So CCP is reverting the CSM back to a useless PR/marketing tool rather than a player advocacy group. Cool beans.

No, they let the CSM come to consensus on the issue then overruled them when they made the "wrong" decision. For the CSM to have any legitimacy other than a PR tool CCP need to either respect their decisions or make it adequately clear a decision is not theirs to make. Not this worst of both worlds crap.

You can't add, can you?

Even if ever single character in Goonswarm were an individual account, that is barely 7,000. And if you think every character in Goonswarm is an individual account, I've got a great bridge to sell you in Tuscon, Arizona, with a nice ocean view.

words from paradigmblue

I surely hope that CCP in its infinite wisdom has thoroughly thought out the possible repercussions of this extremely poor decision.

I sure hope that being forced to resign from CSM6, forfeit his position on CSM7 and being banned from the game for 30 days doesn't cause poor Mittani to fall into a deep depression and contemplate suicide. He LIVES for playing EvE, leading his alliance and being chair of the CSM, the loss of these combined with his clear history of alcohol abuse have me fearing for his safety.

PLEASE CCP FREE MITTANI!

cept i've been told ccp provided the liquor

Jita will surely burn.

Maybe the CFC can demonstrate to the pubbies what the 6VDT HellCamp was like for BOB?

I have the strong feeling that CONCORD isn't going to stop tornadoes from instapopping freighters

And when the entire coalition shows up at your doorstep you think CONCORD is going to stop them?

Surely you jest.

You, good sir , underestimate the industrial and financial power of the coalition.
You also underestimate their desire to gank pubbies. They give no fucks, never have, never will.

2,000 tornadoes aren't enough laff

How do you ban someone for something they did outside your game? That's messed up.

From the TOS:



Not to excuse what was said but how about some responsibility accepted for the debacle by CCP for allowing the presentation participants to get blind drunk before going "on air"?

CCP's actions where hardly responsible when 13 year old kids (well below the legal drinking age in many countries) where able to legally access the live feed but where subjected to constant references to the glorification of irresponsible drinking, therefore CCP need to issue an apology for their part in this and review their policies towards these issues before the next Fanfest.

Sure, they have a right to. The question is - should they be banning people for actions committed out of game?

This is where your logic fails, by allowing him, after going through the slides, they are at least accessory to it, hence part guilty.

As a first time attendee at FanFest the Alliance Panel just reinforced my views of Goonswarm and their leader in particular

The Q&A section basically shows what binge drinking can do to your life. RUIN IT!!!

The apology & CCP's actions I feel are enough

The fact that fans and CCP can go drinking together and have a party at the end. Has no bearing on this as they are both 'unofficial' when it comes to what is said or done. Unless they burn down a bar or kill someone

The Alliance Panel though, being an officially sanctioned by CCP and 'monitored' as in CCP vet the presentations. Is covered by the EULA. So when someone does break the EULA by their own stupidity CCP needs to act.

Unfortunately the real damage done here to CCP is due to the whole thing being broadcast

The fact that this panel was transmitted live to anyone on the planet. In HD for CCP subscribers who paid and normal for anyone else, CCP subscriber or 'NOT' highlights CCP's naivety about live broadcasts. Live broadcasts should always be run with a time delay to allow for offending or illegal actions to be removed or 'bleeped'

Even the BBC uses it on the satirical political panel show 'Have I got News for You'

As for CSM I feel a re-run of the election is required and if 'Goonswarm' wishes to put forward a new candidate they should be allowed too. As stupidity the of one should never get in the way of representation of the many!